diff --git a/packages/runtime-core/src/renderer.ts b/packages/runtime-core/src/renderer.ts
index 99eaf02bb..680f0c696 100644
--- a/packages/runtime-core/src/renderer.ts
+++ b/packages/runtime-core/src/renderer.ts
@@ -118,7 +118,6 @@ export interface RendererOptions<
     parentSuspense?: SuspenseBoundary | null,
     unmountChildren?: UnmountChildrenFn
   ): void
-  forcePatchProp?(el: HostElement, key: string): boolean
   insert(el: HostNode, parent: HostElement, anchor?: HostNode | null): void
   remove(el: HostNode): void
   createElement(
@@ -288,99 +287,6 @@ export const queuePostRenderEffect = __FEATURE_SUSPENSE__
   ? queueEffectWithSuspense
   : queuePostFlushCb
 
-export const setRef = (
-  rawRef: VNodeNormalizedRef,
-  oldRawRef: VNodeNormalizedRef | null,
-  parentSuspense: SuspenseBoundary | null,
-  vnode: VNode,
-  isUnmount = false
-) => {
-  if (isArray(rawRef)) {
-    rawRef.forEach((r, i) =>
-      setRef(
-        r,
-        oldRawRef && (isArray(oldRawRef) ? oldRawRef[i] : oldRawRef),
-        parentSuspense,
-        vnode,
-        isUnmount
-      )
-    )
-    return
-  }
-
-  if (isAsyncWrapper(vnode) && !isUnmount) {
-    // when mounting async components, nothing needs to be done,
-    // because the template ref is forwarded to inner component
-    return
-  }
-
-  const refValue =
-    vnode.shapeFlag & ShapeFlags.STATEFUL_COMPONENT
-      ? getExposeProxy(vnode.component!) || vnode.component!.proxy
-      : vnode.el
-  const value = isUnmount ? null : refValue
-
-  const { i: owner, r: ref } = rawRef
-  if (__DEV__ && !owner) {
-    warn(
-      `Missing ref owner context. ref cannot be used on hoisted vnodes. ` +
-        `A vnode with ref must be created inside the render function.`
-    )
-    return
-  }
-  const oldRef = oldRawRef && (oldRawRef as VNodeNormalizedRefAtom).r
-  const refs = owner.refs === EMPTY_OBJ ? (owner.refs = {}) : owner.refs
-  const setupState = owner.setupState
-
-  // dynamic ref changed. unset old ref
-  if (oldRef != null && oldRef !== ref) {
-    if (isString(oldRef)) {
-      refs[oldRef] = null
-      if (hasOwn(setupState, oldRef)) {
-        setupState[oldRef] = null
-      }
-    } else if (isRef(oldRef)) {
-      oldRef.value = null
-    }
-  }
-
-  if (isString(ref)) {
-    const doSet = () => {
-      if (__COMPAT__ && isCompatEnabled(DeprecationTypes.V_FOR_REF, owner)) {
-        registerLegacyRef(refs, ref, refValue, owner, rawRef.f, isUnmount)
-      } else {
-        refs[ref] = value
-      }
-      if (hasOwn(setupState, ref)) {
-        setupState[ref] = value
-      }
-    }
-    // #1789: for non-null values, set them after render
-    // null values means this is unmount and it should not overwrite another
-    // ref with the same key
-    if (value) {
-      ;(doSet as SchedulerJob).id = -1
-      queuePostRenderEffect(doSet, parentSuspense)
-    } else {
-      doSet()
-    }
-  } else if (isRef(ref)) {
-    const doSet = () => {
-      ref.value = value
-    }
-    if (value) {
-      ;(doSet as SchedulerJob).id = -1
-      queuePostRenderEffect(doSet, parentSuspense)
-    } else {
-      doSet()
-    }
-  } else if (isFunction(ref)) {
-    callWithErrorHandling(ref, owner, ErrorCodes.FUNCTION_REF, [value, refs])
-  } else if (__DEV__) {
-    warn('Invalid template ref type:', value, `(${typeof value})`)
-  }
-}
-
 /**
  * The createRenderer function accepts two generic arguments:
  * HostNode and HostElement, corresponding to Node and Element types in the
@@ -444,7 +350,6 @@ function baseCreateRenderer(
     insert: hostInsert,
     remove: hostRemove,
     patchProp: hostPatchProp,
-    forcePatchProp: hostForcePatchProp,
     createElement: hostCreateElement,
     createText: hostCreateText,
     createComment: hostCreateComment,
@@ -767,7 +672,7 @@ function baseCreateRenderer(
       // props
       if (props) {
         for (const key in props) {
-          if (!isReservedProp(key)) {
+          if (key !== 'value' && !isReservedProp(key)) {
             hostPatchProp(
               el,
               key,
@@ -781,6 +686,18 @@ function baseCreateRenderer(
             )
           }
         }
+        /**
+         * Special case for setting value on DOM elements:
+         * - it can be order-sensitive (e.g. should be set *after* min/max, #2325, #4024)
+         * - it needs to be forced (#1471)
+         * #2353 proposes adding another renderer option to configure this, but
+         * the properties affects are so finite it is worth special casing it
+         * here to reduce the complexity. (Special casing it also should not
+         * affect non-DOM renderers)
+         */
+        if ('value' in props) {
+          hostPatchProp(el, 'value', null, props.value)
+        }
         if ((vnodeHook = props.onVnodeBeforeMount)) {
           invokeVNodeHook(vnodeHook, parentComponent, vnode)
         }
@@ -967,10 +884,8 @@ function baseCreateRenderer(
             const key = propsToUpdate[i]
             const prev = oldProps[key]
             const next = newProps[key]
-            if (
-              next !== prev ||
-              (hostForcePatchProp && hostForcePatchProp(el, key))
-            ) {
+            // #1471 force patch value
+            if (next !== prev || key === 'value') {
               hostPatchProp(
                 el,
                 key,
@@ -1104,10 +1019,8 @@ function baseCreateRenderer(
         if (isReservedProp(key)) continue
         const next = newProps[key]
         const prev = oldProps[key]
-        if (
-          next !== prev ||
-          (hostForcePatchProp && hostForcePatchProp(el, key))
-        ) {
+        // defer patching value
+        if (next !== prev && key !== 'value') {
           hostPatchProp(
             el,
             key,
@@ -1138,6 +1051,9 @@ function baseCreateRenderer(
           }
         }
       }
+      if ('value' in newProps) {
+        hostPatchProp(el, 'value', oldProps.value, newProps.value)
+      }
     }
   }
 
@@ -2418,6 +2334,99 @@ function baseCreateRenderer(
   }
 }
 
+export function setRef(
+  rawRef: VNodeNormalizedRef,
+  oldRawRef: VNodeNormalizedRef | null,
+  parentSuspense: SuspenseBoundary | null,
+  vnode: VNode,
+  isUnmount = false
+) {
+  if (isArray(rawRef)) {
+    rawRef.forEach((r, i) =>
+      setRef(
+        r,
+        oldRawRef && (isArray(oldRawRef) ? oldRawRef[i] : oldRawRef),
+        parentSuspense,
+        vnode,
+        isUnmount
+      )
+    )
+    return
+  }
+
+  if (isAsyncWrapper(vnode) && !isUnmount) {
+    // when mounting async components, nothing needs to be done,
+    // because the template ref is forwarded to inner component
+    return
+  }
+
+  const refValue =
+    vnode.shapeFlag & ShapeFlags.STATEFUL_COMPONENT
+      ? getExposeProxy(vnode.component!) || vnode.component!.proxy
+      : vnode.el
+  const value = isUnmount ? null : refValue
+
+  const { i: owner, r: ref } = rawRef
+  if (__DEV__ && !owner) {
+    warn(
+      `Missing ref owner context. ref cannot be used on hoisted vnodes. ` +
+        `A vnode with ref must be created inside the render function.`
+    )
+    return
+  }
+  const oldRef = oldRawRef && (oldRawRef as VNodeNormalizedRefAtom).r
+  const refs = owner.refs === EMPTY_OBJ ? (owner.refs = {}) : owner.refs
+  const setupState = owner.setupState
+
+  // dynamic ref changed. unset old ref
+  if (oldRef != null && oldRef !== ref) {
+    if (isString(oldRef)) {
+      refs[oldRef] = null
+      if (hasOwn(setupState, oldRef)) {
+        setupState[oldRef] = null
+      }
+    } else if (isRef(oldRef)) {
+      oldRef.value = null
+    }
+  }
+
+  if (isString(ref)) {
+    const doSet = () => {
+      if (__COMPAT__ && isCompatEnabled(DeprecationTypes.V_FOR_REF, owner)) {
+        registerLegacyRef(refs, ref, refValue, owner, rawRef.f, isUnmount)
+      } else {
+        refs[ref] = value
+      }
+      if (hasOwn(setupState, ref)) {
+        setupState[ref] = value
+      }
+    }
+    // #1789: for non-null values, set them after render
+    // null values means this is unmount and it should not overwrite another
+    // ref with the same key
+    if (value) {
+      ;(doSet as SchedulerJob).id = -1
+      queuePostRenderEffect(doSet, parentSuspense)
+    } else {
+      doSet()
+    }
+  } else if (isRef(ref)) {
+    const doSet = () => {
+      ref.value = value
+    }
+    if (value) {
+      ;(doSet as SchedulerJob).id = -1
+      queuePostRenderEffect(doSet, parentSuspense)
+    } else {
+      doSet()
+    }
+  } else if (isFunction(ref)) {
+    callWithErrorHandling(ref, owner, ErrorCodes.FUNCTION_REF, [value, refs])
+  } else if (__DEV__) {
+    warn('Invalid template ref type:', value, `(${typeof value})`)
+  }
+}
+
 export function invokeVNodeHook(
   hook: VNodeHook,
   instance: ComponentInternalInstance | null,
diff --git a/packages/runtime-dom/src/index.ts b/packages/runtime-dom/src/index.ts
index 257c554a6..8a3012c20 100644
--- a/packages/runtime-dom/src/index.ts
+++ b/packages/runtime-dom/src/index.ts
@@ -13,7 +13,7 @@ import {
   compatUtils
 } from '@vue/runtime-core'
 import { nodeOps } from './nodeOps'
-import { patchProp, forcePatchProp } from './patchProp'
+import { patchProp } from './patchProp'
 // Importing from the compiler, will be tree-shaken in prod
 import { isFunction, isString, isHTMLTag, isSVGTag, extend } from '@vue/shared'
 
@@ -24,7 +24,7 @@ declare module '@vue/reactivity' {
   }
 }
 
-const rendererOptions = extend({ patchProp, forcePatchProp }, nodeOps)
+const rendererOptions = extend({ patchProp }, nodeOps)
 
 // lazy create the renderer - this makes core renderer logic tree-shakable
 // in case the user only imports reactivity utilities from Vue.
diff --git a/packages/runtime-dom/src/patchProp.ts b/packages/runtime-dom/src/patchProp.ts
index 47d4f3ba4..c92bbfb56 100644
--- a/packages/runtime-dom/src/patchProp.ts
+++ b/packages/runtime-dom/src/patchProp.ts
@@ -10,9 +10,6 @@ const nativeOnRE = /^on[a-z]/
 
 type DOMRendererOptions = RendererOptions<Node, Element>
 
-export const forcePatchProp: DOMRendererOptions['forcePatchProp'] = (_, key) =>
-  key === 'value'
-
 export const patchProp: DOMRendererOptions['patchProp'] = (
   el,
   key,