Parameter --pid (or -p) of perf currently means a thread-wide
collection. For exmaple, if a process whose id is 8888 has 10
threads, 'perf top -p 8888' just collects the main thread
statistics. That's misleading. Users are used to attach a whole
process when debugging a process by gdb. To follow normal usage
style, the patch change --pid to process-wide collection and add
--tid (-t) to mean a thread-wide collection.
Usage example is:
# perf top -p 8888
# perf record -p 8888 -f sleep 10
# perf stat -p 8888 -f sleep 10
Above commands collect the statistics of all threads of process
8888.
Signed-off-by: Zhang Yanmin <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Sheng Yang <sheng@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: zhiteng.huang@intel.com
Cc: Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>
LKML-Reference: <1268922965-14774-3-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
If -vv is used just the map table will be printed, -vvv will
print the symbol table too, with it we can see that we have a
bug where some samples are not being resolved to a map when we
get them in the perf.data stream, but after we have it all
processed, we can find the right map, some reordering probably
is happening.
Upcoming patches will provide ways to ask for most PERF_SAMPLE_
conditional samples to be taken for !PERF_RECORD_SAMPLE events
too, then we'll be able to ask for PERF_SAMPLE_TIME and
PERF_SAMPLE_CPU to help diagnose this.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1268161097-17761-1-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
As the parent comm then is worthless, confusing users about the
thread where the sample really happened, leading to think that
the sample happened in the parent, not where it really happened,
in the children of a thread for which a PERF_RECORD_COMM event
was not received.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1266627727-19715-1-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
I noticed while writing the first test in 'perf regtest' that to
just test the symbol handling routines one needs to create a
perf session, that is a layer centered on a perf.data file,
events, etc, so I untied these layers.
This reduces the complexity for the users as the number of
parameters to most of the symbols and session APIs now was
reduced while not adding more state to all the map instances by
only having data that is needed to split the kernel (kallsyms
and ELF symtab sections) maps and do vmlinux relocation on the
main kernel map.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1265223128-11786-1-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Because some tools will only want to know with maps had hits,
not needing the full symbol resolution done by
thread__find_addr_location.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1263519930-22803-3-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
We were always looking at the running machine /proc/modules,
even when processing a perf.data file, which only makes sense
when we're doing 'perf record' and 'perf report' on the same
machine, and in close sucession, or if we don't use modules at
all, right Peter? ;-)
Now, at 'perf record' time we read /proc/modules, find the long
path for modules, and put them as PERF_MMAP events, just like we
did to encode the reloc reference symbol for vmlinux. Talking
about that now it is encoded in .pgoff, so that we can use
.{start,len} to store the address boundaries for the kernel so
that when we reconstruct the kmaps tree we can do lookups right
away, without having to fixup the end of the kernel maps like we
did in the past (and now only in perf record).
One more step in the 'perf archive' direction when we'll finally
be able to collect data in one machine and analyse in another.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1263396139-4798-1-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
There is still some more work to do to disentangle map creation
from DSO loading, but this happens only for the kernel, and for
the early adopters of perf diff, where this disentanglement
matters most, we'll be testing different kernels, so no problem
here.
Further clarification: right now we create the kernel maps for
the various modules and discontiguous kernel text maps when
loading the DSO, we should do it as a two step process, first
creating the maps, for multiple mappings with the same DSO
store, then doing the dso load just once, for the first hit on
one of the maps sharing this DSO backing store.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1260741029-4430-6-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
So that we can process two perf.data files.
We still need to add a O_MMAP mode for perf_session so that we
can do all the mmap stuff in it.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1260741029-4430-5-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
No need for all tools to register it and then immediately call
perf_session__process_events.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1260741029-4430-3-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Configurable via symbol_conf.sort_by_name, so that the cost of an
extra rb_node on all 'struct symbol' instances is not paid by tools
that only want to decode addresses.
How to use it:
symbol_conf.sort_by_name = true;
symbol_init(&symbol_conf);
struct map *map = map_groups__find_by_name(kmaps, MAP__VARIABLE, "[kernel.kallsyms]");
if (map == NULL) {
pr_err("couldn't find map!\n");
kernel_maps__fprintf(stdout);
} else {
struct symbol *sym = map__find_symbol_by_name(map, sym_filter, NULL);
if (sym == NULL)
pr_err("couldn't find symbol %s!\n", sym_filter);
else
pr_info("symbol %s: %#Lx-%#Lx \n", sym_filter, sym->start, sym->end);
}
Looking over the vmlinux/kallsyms is common enough that I'll add a
variable to the upcoming struct perf_session to avoid the need to
use map_groups__find_by_name to get the main vmlinux/kallsyms map.
The above example looks on the 'variable' symtab, but it is just
like that for the functions one.
Also the sort operation is done when we first use
map__find_symbol_by_name, in a lazy way.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1260564622-12392-1-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Using a struct thread instance just to hold the kernel space maps
(vmlinux + modules) is overkill and confuses people trying to
understand the perf symbols abstractions.
The kernel maps are really present in all threads, i.e. the kernel
is a library, not a separate thread.
So introduce the 'map_groups' abstraction and use it for the kernel
maps, now in the kmaps global variable.
It, in turn, will move, together with the threads list to the
perf_file abstraction, so that we can support multiple perf_file
instances, needed by perf diff.
Brainstormed-with: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Eduardo Habkost <ehabkost@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1260550239-5372-1-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Now we have a very high level routine for simple tools to
process IP sample events:
int event__preprocess_sample(const event_t *self,
struct addr_location *al,
symbol_filter_t filter)
It receives the event itself and will insert new threads in the
global threads list and resolve the map and symbol, filling all
this info into the new addr_location struct, so that tools like
annotate and report can further process the event by creating
hist_entries in their specific way (with or without callgraphs,
etc).
It in turn uses the new next layer function:
void thread__find_addr_location(struct thread *self, u8 cpumode,
enum map_type type, u64 addr,
struct addr_location *al,
symbol_filter_t filter)
This one will, given a thread (userspace or the kernel kthread
one), will find the given type (MAP__FUNCTION now, MAP__VARIABLE
too in the near future) at the given cpumode, taking vdsos into
account (userspace hit, but kernel symbol) and will fill all
these details in the addr_location given.
Tools that need a more compact API for plain function
resolution, like 'kmem', can use this other one:
struct symbol *thread__find_function(struct thread *self, u64 addr,
symbol_filter_t filter)
So, to resolve a kernel symbol, that is all the 'kmem' tool
needs, its just a matter of calling:
sym = thread__find_function(kthread, addr, NULL);
The 'filter' parameter is needed because we do lazy
parsing/loading of ELF symtabs or /proc/kallsyms.
With this we remove more code duplication all around, which is
always good, huh? :-)
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1259346563-12568-12-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Making the routines that were so far specific to the kernel maps
useful for all threads.
This is done by making the kernel maps be contained in a kernel
"thread".
This gets the kernel specific routines closer to the userspace
counterparts, which will help in reducing the boilerplate for
resolving a symbol, as will be demonstrated in the next patches.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1259346563-12568-9-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
So that we can support multiple symbol table types.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1259346563-12568-8-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Paving the way for supporting variable in adition to function
symbols.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1259074912-5924-1-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Just like we do with the other DSOs. This also simplifies the
kernel_maps setup process, now all that the tools need to do is
to call kernel_maps__init and the maps for the modules and
kernel will be created, then, later, when
kernel_maps__find_symbol() is used, it will also call
maps__find_symbol that already checks if the symtab was loaded,
loading it if needed.
Now if one does 'perf top --hide_kernel_symbols' we won't pay
the price of loading the (many) symbols in /proc/kallsyms or
vmlinux.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1258757489-5978-4-git-send-email-acme@infradead.org>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Currently, the callchains are displayed using a constant left
margin. So depending on the current sort dimension
configuration, callchains may appear to be well attached to the
first sort dimension column field which is mostly the case,
except when the first dimension of sorting is done by comm,
because these are right aligned.
This patch binds the callchain to the first letter in the first
column, whatever type of column it is (dso, comm, symbol).
Before:
0.80% perf [k] __lock_acquire
__lock_acquire
lock_acquire
|
|--58.33%-- _spin_lock
| |
| |--28.57%-- inotify_should_send_event
| | fsnotify
| | __fsnotify_parent
After:
0.80% perf [k] __lock_acquire
__lock_acquire
lock_acquire
|
|--58.33%-- _spin_lock
| |
| |--28.57%-- inotify_should_send_event
| | fsnotify
| | __fsnotify_parent
Also, for clarity, we don't put anymore the callchain as is but:
- If we have a top level ancestor in the callchain, start it
with a first ascii hook.
Before:
0.80% perf [kernel] [k] __lock_acquire
__lock_acquire
lock_acquire
|
|--58.33%-- _spin_lock
| |
| |--28.57%-- inotify_should_send_event
| | fsnotify
[..] [..]
After:
0.80% perf [kernel] [k] __lock_acquire
|
--- __lock_acquire
lock_acquire
|
|--58.33%-- _spin_lock
| |
| |--28.57%-- inotify_should_send_event
| | fsnotify
[..] [..]
- Otherwise, if we have several top level ancestors, then
display these like we did before:
1.69% Xorg
|
|--21.21%-- vread_hpet
| 0x7fffd85b46fc
| 0x7fffd85b494d
| 0x7f4fafb4e54d
|
|--15.15%-- exaOffscreenAlloc
|
|--9.09%-- I830WaitLpRing
Signed-off-by: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1256246604-17156-2-git-send-email-fweisbec@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
This was just being copy'n'pasted all over.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
LKML-Reference: <20091013141629.GD21809@ghostprotocols.net>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
This reverts commit 9a92b479b2 ("perf
tools: Improve thread comm resolution in perf sched") and fixes the
real bug.
The bug was elsewhere:
We are failing to resolve thread names in perf sched because the
table of threads we are building, on top of comm events, has a per
process granularity. But perf sched, unlike the other perf tools,
needs a per thread granularity as we are profiling every tasks
individually.
So fix it by building our threads table using the tid instead of
the pid as the thread identifier.
v2: Revert the previous fix - it is not really needed
Signed-off-by: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1255028657-11158-1-git-send-email-fweisbec@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
When we get sched traces that involve a task that was already
created before opening the event, we won't have the comm event for
it.
So if we can't find the comm event for a given thread, we look at
the traces that may contain these informations.
Before:
ata/1:371 | 0.000 ms | 1 | avg: 3988.693 ms | max: 3988.693 ms |
kondemand/1:421 | 0.096 ms | 3 | avg: 345.346 ms | max: 1035.989 ms |
kondemand/0:420 | 0.025 ms | 3 | avg: 421.332 ms | max: 964.014 ms |
:5124:5124 | 0.103 ms | 5 | avg: 74.082 ms | max: 277.194 ms |
:6244:6244 | 0.691 ms | 9 | avg: 125.655 ms | max: 271.306 ms |
firefox:5080 | 0.924 ms | 5 | avg: 53.833 ms | max: 257.828 ms |
npviewer.bin:6225 | 21.871 ms | 53 | avg: 22.462 ms | max: 220.835 ms |
:6245:6245 | 9.631 ms | 21 | avg: 41.864 ms | max: 213.349 ms |
After:
ata/1:371 | 0.000 ms | 1 | avg: 3988.693 ms | max: 3988.693 ms |
kondemand/1:421 | 0.096 ms | 3 | avg: 345.346 ms | max: 1035.989 ms |
kondemand/0:420 | 0.025 ms | 3 | avg: 421.332 ms | max: 964.014 ms |
firefox:5124 | 0.103 ms | 5 | avg: 74.082 ms | max: 277.194 ms |
npviewer.bin:6244 | 0.691 ms | 9 | avg: 125.655 ms | max: 271.306 ms |
firefox:5080 | 0.924 ms | 5 | avg: 53.833 ms | max: 257.828 ms |
npviewer.bin:6225 | 21.871 ms | 53 | avg: 22.462 ms | max: 220.835 ms |
npviewer.bin:6245 | 9.631 ms | 21 | avg: 41.864 ms | max: 213.349 ms |
Signed-off-by: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
LKML-Reference: <1255012632-7882-1-git-send-email-fweisbec@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Representing modules as struct map entries, backed by a DSO, etc,
using /proc/modules to find where the module is loaded.
DSOs now can have a short and long name, so that in verbose mode we
can show exactly which .ko or vmlinux image was used.
As kernel modules now are a DSO separate from the kernel, we can
ask for just the hits for a particular set of kernel modules, just
like we can do with shared libraries:
[root@doppio linux-2.6-tip]# perf report -n --vmlinux
/home/acme/git/build/tip-recvmmsg/vmlinux --modules --dsos \[drm\] | head -15
84.58% 13266 Xorg [k] drm_clflush_pages
4.02% 630 Xorg [k] trace_kmalloc.clone.0
3.95% 619 Xorg [k] drm_ioctl
2.07% 324 Xorg [k] drm_addbufs
1.68% 263 Xorg [k] drm_gem_close_ioctl
0.77% 120 Xorg [k] drm_setmaster_ioctl
0.70% 110 Xorg [k] drm_lastclose
0.68% 106 Xorg [k] drm_open
0.54% 85 Xorg [k] drm_mm_search_free
[root@doppio linux-2.6-tip]#
Specifying --dsos /lib/modules/2.6.31-tip/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/drm.ko
would have the same effect. Allowing specifying just 'drm.ko' is left
for another patch.
Processing kallsyms so that per kernel module struct map are
instantiated was also left for another patch. That will allow
removing the module name from each of its symbols.
struct symbol was reduced by removing the ->module backpointer and
moving it (well now the map) to struct symbol_entry in perf top,
that is its only user right now.
The total linecount went down by ~500 lines.
Signed-off-by: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frédéric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
There was a colorful mix of header guards - standardize them.
Signed-off-by: John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
LKML-Reference: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0909241756530.11383@localhost.localdomain>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Use a sort list for thread atoms insertion as well - instead of
hardcoded for PID.
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
LKML-Reference: <new-submission>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Factorize the thread management code used by perf-annotate and
perf-report in dedicated source and header files.
v2: pass last_match by address so that it can actually be
modified.
Signed-off-by: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Cc: Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
LKML-Reference: <1250245313-6995-1-git-send-email-fweisbec@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>