1) gre_parse_header() can be called from gre_err()
At this point transport header points to ICMP header, not the inner
header.
2) We can not really change transport header as ipgre_err() will later
assume transport header still points to ICMP header (using icmp_hdr())
3) pskb_may_pull() logic in gre_parse_header() really works
if we are interested at zone pointed by skb->data
4) As Jiri explained in commit b7f8fe251e ("gre: do not pull header in
ICMP error processing") we should not pull headers in error handler.
So this fix :
A) changes gre_parse_header() to use skb->data instead of
skb_transport_header()
B) Adds a nhs parameter to gre_parse_header() so that we can skip the
not pulled IP header from error path.
This offset is 0 for normal receive path.
C) remove obsolete IPV6 includes
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Cc: Maciej Żenczykowski <maze@google.com>
Cc: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The function gretap_fb_dev_create() (only used by ovs) never calls
rtnl_configure_link(). The consequence is that dev->rtnl_link_state is
never set to RTNL_LINK_INITIALIZED.
During the deletion phase, the function rollback_registered_many() sends
a RTM_DELLINK only if dev->rtnl_link_state is set to RTNL_LINK_INITIALIZED.
Fixes: b2acd1dc39 ("openvswitch: Use regular GRE net_device instead of vport")
CC: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
CC: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Signed-off-by: Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
After ipgre_newlink()/geneve_configure() call, the netdev is registered.
Fixes: 7e059158d5 ("vxlan, gre, geneve: Set a large MTU on ovs-created tunnel devices")
CC: David Wragg <david@weave.works>
Signed-off-by: Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The nf_conntrack_core.c fix in 'net' is not relevant in 'net-next'
because we no longer have a per-netns conntrack hash.
The ip_gre.c conflict as well as the iwlwifi ones were cases of
overlapping changes.
Conflicts:
drivers/net/wireless/intel/iwlwifi/mvm/tx.c
net/ipv4/ip_gre.c
net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core.c
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
When dealing with WCCP in gre6 tunnel, it sets the wrong tpi->protocol,
that is, ETH_P_IP instead of ETH_P_IPV6 for the encapuslated traffic.
Signed-off-by: Haishuang Yan <yanhaishuang@cmss.chinamobile.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
For ipgre interface in collect metadata mode, it doesn't make sense for the
interface to be of ARPHRD_IPGRE type. The outer header of received packets
is not needed, as all the information from it is present in metadata_dst. We
already don't set ipgre_header_ops for collect metadata interfaces, which is
the only consumer of mac_header pointing to the outer IP header.
Just set the interface type to ARPHRD_NONE in collect metadata mode for
ipgre (not gretap, that still correctly stays ARPHRD_ETHER) and reset
mac_header.
Fixes: a64b04d86d ("gre: do not assign header_ops in collect metadata mode")
Fixes: 2e15ea390e ("ip_gre: Add support to collect tunnel metadata.")
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
For ipgre interfaces in collect metadata mode, receive also traffic with
encapsulated Ethernet headers. The lwtunnel users are supposed to sort this
out correctly. This allows to have mixed Ethernet + L3-only traffic on the
same lwtunnel interface. This is the same way as VXLAN-GPE behaves.
To keep backwards compatibility and prevent any surprises, gretap interfaces
have priority in receiving packets with Ethernet headers.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This will allow to make the pull dependent on the tunnel type.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
It's easier for gre_parse_header to return the header length instead of
filing it into a parameter. That way, the callers that don't care about the
header length can just check whether the returned value is lower than zero.
In gre_err, the tunnel header must not be pulled. See commit b7f8fe251e
("gre: do not pull header in ICMP error processing") for details.
This patch reduces the conflict between the mentioned commit and commit
95f5c64c3c ("gre: Move utility functions to common headers").
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Conflicts:
net/ipv4/ip_gre.c
Minor conflicts between tunnel bug fixes in net and
ipv6 tunnel cleanups in net-next.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Create common functions for both IPv4 and IPv6 GRE in transmit. These
are put into gre.h.
Common functions are for:
- GRE checksum calculation. Move gre_checksum to gre.h.
- Building a GRE header. Move GRE build_header and rename
gre_build_header.
Signed-off-by: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Several of the GRE functions defined in net/ipv4/ip_gre.c are usable
for IPv6 GRE implementation (that is they are protocol agnostic).
These include:
- GRE flag handling functions are move to gre.h
- GRE build_header is moved to gre.h and renamed gre_build_header
- parse_gre_header is moved to gre_demux.c and renamed gre_parse_header
- iptunnel_pull_header is taken out of gre_parse_header. This is now
done by caller. The header length is returned from gre_parse_header
in an int* argument.
Signed-off-by: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
iptunnel_pull_header expects that IP header was already pulled; with this
expectation, it pulls the tunnel header. This is not true in gre_err.
Furthermore, ipv4_update_pmtu and ipv4_redirect expect that skb->data points
to the IP header.
We cannot pull the tunnel header in this path. It's just a matter of not
calling iptunnel_pull_header - we don't need any of its effects.
Fixes: bda7bb4634 ("gre: Allow multiple protocol listener for gre protocol.")
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The collect metadata mode does not support GUE nor FOU. This might be
implemented later; until then, we should reject such config.
I think this is okay to be changed. It's unlikely anyone has such
configuration (as it doesn't work anyway) and we may need a way to
distinguish whether it's supported or not by the kernel later.
For backwards compatibility with iproute2, it's not possible to just check
the attribute presence (iproute2 always includes the attribute), the actual
value has to be checked, too.
Fixes: 2e15ea390e ("ip_gre: Add support to collect tunnel metadata.")
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
In ipgre (i.e. not gretap) + collect metadata mode, the skb was assumed to
contain Ethernet header and was encapsulated as ETH_P_TEB. This is not the
case, the interface is ARPHRD_IPGRE and the protocol to be used for
encapsulation is skb->protocol.
Fixes: 2e15ea390e ("ip_gre: Add support to collect tunnel metadata.")
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@ovn.org>
Reviewed-by: Simon Horman <simon.horman@netronome.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
In ipgre mode (i.e. not gretap) with collect metadata flag set, the tunnel
is incorrectly assumed to be mGRE in NBMA mode (see commit 6a5f44d7a0).
This is not the case, we're controlling the encapsulation addresses by
lwtunnel metadata. And anyway, assigning dev->header_ops in collect metadata
mode does not make sense.
Although it would be more user firendly to reject requests that specify
both the collect metadata flag and a remote/local IP address, this would
break current users of gretap or introduce ugly code and differences in
handling ipgre and gretap configuration. Keep the current behavior of
remote/local IP address being ignored in such case.
v3: Back to v1, added explanation paragraph.
v2: Reject configuration specifying both remote/local address and collect
metadata flag.
Fixes: 2e15ea390e ("ip_gre: Add support to collect tunnel metadata.")
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This patch updates the IP tunnel core function iptunnel_handle_offloads so
that we return an int and do not free the skb inside the function. This
actually allows us to clean up several paths in several tunnels so that we
can free the skb at one point in the path without having to have a
secondary path if we are supporting tunnel offloads.
In addition it should resolve some double-free issues I have found in the
tunnels paths as I believe it is possible for us to end up triggering such
an event in the case of fou or gue.
Signed-off-by: Alexander Duyck <aduyck@mirantis.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
This patch fixes an issue I found in which we were dropping frames if we
had enabled checksums on GRE headers that were encapsulated by either FOU
or GUE. Without this patch I was barely able to get 1 Gb/s of throughput.
With this patch applied I am now at least getting around 6 Gb/s.
The issue is due to the fact that with FOU or GUE applied we do not provide
a transport offset pointing to the GRE header, nor do we offload it in
software as the GRE header is completely skipped by GSO and treated like a
VXLAN or GENEVE type header. As such we need to prevent the stack from
generating it and also prevent GRE from generating it via any interface we
create.
Fixes: c3483384ee ("gro: Allow tunnel stacking in the case of FOU/GUE")
Signed-off-by: Alexander Duyck <aduyck@mirantis.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The assumptions from commit 0c1d70af92 ("net: use dst_cache for vxlan
device"), 468dfffcd7 ("geneve: add dst caching support") and 3c1cb4d260
("net/ipv4: add dst cache support for gre lwtunnels") on dst_cache usage
when ip_tunnel_info is used is unfortunately not always valid as assumed.
While it seems correct for ip_tunnel_info front-ends such as OVS, eBPF
however can fill in ip_tunnel_info for consumers like vxlan, geneve or gre
with different remote dsts, tos, etc, therefore they cannot be assumed as
packet independent.
Right now vxlan, geneve, gre would cache the dst for eBPF and every packet
would reuse the same entry that was first created on the initial route
lookup. eBPF doesn't store/cache the ip_tunnel_info, so each skb may have
a different one.
Fix it by adding a flag that checks the ip_tunnel_info. Also the !tos test
in vxlan needs to be handeled differently in this context as it is currently
inferred from ip_tunnel_info as well if present. ip_tunnel_dst_cache_usable()
helper is added for the three tunnel cases, which checks if we can use dst
cache.
Fixes: 0c1d70af92 ("net: use dst_cache for vxlan device")
Fixes: 468dfffcd7 ("geneve: add dst caching support")
Fixes: 3c1cb4d260 ("net/ipv4: add dst cache support for gre lwtunnels")
Signed-off-by: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Acked-by: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Conflicts:
drivers/net/phy/bcm7xxx.c
drivers/net/phy/marvell.c
drivers/net/vxlan.c
All three conflicts were cases of simple overlapping changes.
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
ether_setup sets IFF_TX_SKB_SHARING but this is not supported by gre
as it modifies the skb on xmit.
Also, clean up whitespace in ipgre_tap_setup when we're already touching it.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Part of skb_scrub_packet was open coded in iptunnel_pull_header. Let it call
skb_scrub_packet directly instead.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
In case of UDP traffic with datagram length below MTU this
gives about 4% performance increase
Signed-off-by: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Suggested-and-Acked-by: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
All users now pass false, so we can remove it, and remove the code that
was conditional upon it.
Signed-off-by: Edward Cree <ecree@solarflare.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Prior to 4.3, openvswitch tunnel vports (vxlan, gre and geneve) could
transmit vxlan packets of any size, constrained only by the ability to
send out the resulting packets. 4.3 introduced netdevs corresponding
to tunnel vports. These netdevs have an MTU, which limits the size of
a packet that can be successfully encapsulated. The default MTU
values are low (1500 or less), which is awkwardly small in the context
of physical networks supporting jumbo frames, and leads to a
conspicuous change in behaviour for userspace.
Instead, set the MTU on openvswitch-created netdevs to be the relevant
maximum (i.e. the maximum IP packet size minus any relevant overhead),
effectively restoring the behaviour prior to 4.3.
Signed-off-by: David Wragg <david@weave.works>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
By moving stats update into iptunnel_xmit(), we can simplify
iptunnel_xmit() usage. With this change there is no need to
call another function (iptunnel_xmit_stats()) to update stats
in tunnel xmit code path.
Signed-off-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
It looks like many files are including mroute.h unnecessarily, so remove
the include. Most importantly remove it from ipv6.
CC: Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
CC: Steffen Klassert <steffen.klassert@secunet.com>
CC: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Signed-off-by: Nikolay Aleksandrov <nikolay@cumulusnetworks.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
While transitioning to netdev based vport we broke OVS
feature which allows user to retrieve tunnel packet egress
information for lwtunnel devices. Following patch fixes it
by introducing ndo operation to get the tunnel egress info.
Same ndo operation can be used for lwtunnel devices and compat
ovs-tnl-vport devices. So after adding such device operation
we can remove similar operation from ovs-vport.
Fixes: 614732eaa1 ("openvswitch: Use regular VXLAN net_device device").
Signed-off-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
There's currently nothing preventing directing packets with IPv6
encapsulation data to IPv4 tunnels (and vice versa). If this happens,
IPv6 addresses are incorrectly interpreted as IPv4 ones.
Track whether the given ip_tunnel_key contains IPv4 or IPv6 data. Store this
in ip_tunnel_info. Reject packets at appropriate places if they are supposed
to be encapsulated into an incompatible protocol.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Acked-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The mode field holds a single bit of information only (whether the
ip_tunnel_info struct is for rx or tx). Change the mode field to bit flags.
This allows more mode flags to be added.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Acked-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Introduce function udp_tun_rx_dst() to initialize tunnel dst on
receive path.
Signed-off-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Reviewed-by: Jesse Gross <jesse@nicira.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Currently, the lwtunnel state resides in per-protocol data. This is
a problem if we encapsulate ipv6 traffic in an ipv4 tunnel (or vice versa).
The xmit function of the tunnel does not know whether the packet has been
routed to it by ipv4 or ipv6, yet it needs the lwtstate data. Moving the
lwtstate data to dst_entry makes such inter-protocol tunneling possible.
As a bonus, this brings a nice diffstat.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Roopa Prabhu <roopa@cumulusnetworks.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Rename the ipv4_tos and ipv4_ttl fields to just 'tos' and 'ttl', as they'll
be used with IPv6 tunnels, too.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Add the IPv6 addresses as an union with IPv4 ones. When using IPv4, the
newly introduced padding after the IPv4 addresses needs to be zeroed out.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Acked-by: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Support for sharing GREPROTO_CISCO port was added so that
OVS gre port and kernel GRE devices can co-exist. After
flow-based tunneling patches OVS GRE protocol processing
is completely moved to ip_gre module. so there is no need
for GRE protocol hook. Following patch consolidates
GRE protocol related functions into ip_gre module.
Signed-off-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Using GRE tunnel meta data collection feature, we can implement
OVS GRE vport. This patch removes all of the OVS
specific GRE code and make OVS use a ip_gre net_device.
Minimal GRE vport is kept to handle compatibility with
current userspace application.
Signed-off-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Following patch create new tunnel flag which enable
tunnel metadata collection on given device.
Signed-off-by: Pravin B Shelar <pshelar@nicira.com>
Acked-by: Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The ipv4 code uses a mixture of coding styles. In some instances check
for NULL pointer is done as x == NULL and sometimes as !x. !x is
preferred according to checkpatch and this patch makes the code
consistent by adopting the latter form.
No changes detected by objdiff.
Signed-off-by: Ian Morris <ipm@chirality.org.uk>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Don't use dev->iflink anymore.
CC: Steffen Klassert <steffen.klassert@secunet.com>
Signed-off-by: Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Those are counterparts to nla_put_in_addr and nla_put_in6_addr.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
IP addresses are often stored in netlink attributes. Add generic functions
to do that.
For nla_put_in_addr, it would be nicer to pass struct in_addr but this is
not used universally throughout the kernel, in way too many places __be32 is
used to store IPv4 address.
Signed-off-by: Jiri Benc <jbenc@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
encap.sport and encap.dport are __be16, use nla_{get,put}_be16 instead
of nla_{get,put}_u16.
Fixes the sparse warnings:
warning: incorrect type in assignment (different base types)
expected restricted __be32 [addressable] [usertype] o_key
got restricted __be16 [addressable] [usertype] i_flags
warning: incorrect type in assignment (different base types)
expected restricted __be16 [usertype] sport
got unsigned short
warning: incorrect type in assignment (different base types)
expected restricted __be16 [usertype] dport
got unsigned short
warning: incorrect type in argument 3 (different base types)
expected unsigned short [unsigned] [usertype] value
got restricted __be16 [usertype] sport
warning: incorrect type in argument 3 (different base types)
expected unsigned short [unsigned] [usertype] value
got restricted __be16 [usertype] dport
Signed-off-by: Sabrina Dubroca <sd@queasysnail.net>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Implement rtnl_link_ops->get_link_net() callback so that IFLA_LINK_NETNSID is
added to rtnetlink messages.
Signed-off-by: Nicolas Dichtel <nicolas.dichtel@6wind.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The GRE tap device supports Ethernet over GRE, but doesn't
care about the source address of the tunnel, therefore it
can be changed without bring device down.
Signed-off-by: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
The NBMA GRE tunnels temporarily push GRE header that contain the
per-packet NBMA destination on the skb via header ops early in xmit
path. It is the later pulled before the real GRE header is constructed.
The inner mac was thus set differently in nbma case: the GRE header
has been pushed by neighbor layer, and mac header points to beginning
of the temporary gre header (set by dev_queue_xmit).
Now that the offloads expect mac header to point to the gre payload,
fix the xmit patch to:
- pull first the temporary gre header away
- and reset mac header to point to gre payload
This fixes tso to work again with nbma tunnels.
Fixes: 14051f0452 ("gre: Use inner mac length when computing tunnel length")
Signed-off-by: Timo Teräs <timo.teras@iki.fi>
Cc: Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
Cc: Alexander Duyck <alexander.h.duyck@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
When filling netlink info, dport is being returned as flags. Fix
instances to return correct value.
Signed-off-by: Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Testing xmit_more support with netperf and connected UDP sockets,
I found strange dst refcount false sharing.
Current handling of IFF_XMIT_DST_RELEASE is not optimal.
Dropping dst in validate_xmit_skb() is certainly too late in case
packet was queued by cpu X but dequeued by cpu Y
The logical point to take care of drop/force is in __dev_queue_xmit()
before even taking qdisc lock.
As Julian Anastasov pointed out, need for skb_dst() might come from some
packet schedulers or classifiers.
This patch adds new helper to cleanly express needs of various drivers
or qdiscs/classifiers.
Drivers that need skb_dst() in their ndo_start_xmit() should call
following helper in their setup instead of the prior :
dev->priv_flags &= ~IFF_XMIT_DST_RELEASE;
->
netif_keep_dst(dev);
Instead of using a single bit, we use two bits, one being
eventually rebuilt in bonding/team drivers.
The other one, is permanent and blocks IFF_XMIT_DST_RELEASE being
rebuilt in bonding/team. Eventually, we could add something
smarter later.
Signed-off-by: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: Julian Anastasov <ja@ssi.bg>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Call skb_set_inner_protocol to set inner Ethernet protocol to
protocol being encapsulation by GRE before tunnel_xmit. This is
needed for GSO if UDP encapsulation (fou) is being done.
Signed-off-by: Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Added netlink attrs to configure FOU encapsulation for GRE, netlink
handling of these flags, and properly adjust MTU for encapsulation.
ip_tunnel_encap is called from ip_tunnel_xmit to actually perform FOU
encapsulation.
Signed-off-by: Tom Herbert <therbert@google.com>
Signed-off-by: David S. Miller <davem@davemloft.net>